Hi Brian, Good job on this video. The witnesses translation of John 1:1 is really unable to be defended even though some try. Because even if Christ were "a god" they still are left to answer the question. Why did Jehovah say "you must not not have any other gods before me"? Wouldn't it just be easier to admidt the Christ is God and be done with it? Rather than inventing gramar rules that they don't even adhere too?
I am not sure what the point is with this video. Spending time defending the trinity is pointless with those that insist there is one.
The bible explains (among other things) Jehovah and his purposes. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus. They worship Jehovah. They recognize Jesus as Jehovah’s Chief Agent for working out his purpose for mankind and the earth and exemplar of their faith.
He is not equal to Jehovah not does he know as much as Jehovah. He is not as powerful as Jehovah. In short, Jesus can not be greater than the one (God) that created him.
Jesus the Christ (Jehovah’s Anointed One), a god, was sent as a act of loving kindness and expression of his love for the benefit of mankind to redirect mankind back to Jehovah, to teach Jehovah’s way, to provide hope for mankind’ future, to counter act the works of Satan (who is also a god, who is referred to as the “god of this system of things, who is worshipped by many as the God).
Jesus himself said he came to make God’s name known, not his name known. “You must not have no other Gods before me” means not worshiping any other god such as Baal, Molech, Marduk, Labartu, Labasu, and Akhkhazu etc.
Jehovah requires and expects exclusive devotion. He does not share his glory with anyone else.
Hey Anonymous, I just read your post and ,Im not speaking for CC21, but I wanted to point out something in you said that seems in-consistent. You said that Jesus is a god, but then mention correctly that we are to have no other Gods. This of course wouldn't be a problem if Jehovah and Jesus were the same God. So please explain how their can be 2 Gods, Jesus and Jehovah as you point out. But how this belief can be held without violating the comand Given in Exodus that you quote. It seems in-consistent.
“Religion is a Racket”, There is no inconsistency.
The divine counsel in Hebrews is helpful to because false or distorted views of Christ still abound. Many people today, rather than downgrading Jesus as did Jewish opposers, exaggerate his role. Many churches assert that Jesus is part of a triune deity and that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are equal. Yet, who gets most of their attention? Jesus. He is pushed into the foreground, and the Father is squeezed into the shadows. This poses a challenge for true Christians. At John 14:28 Jesus said that his Father was greater, and Psalm 83:18 states that “you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”
The Bible refers to Jesus is a god, a mighty god. But he is never referred to as God almighty that is to be worshiped. That title and honor belongs exclusively to Jehovah. When Satan wanted Jesus to do an act of worship to him (Satan), Jesus reminded Satan that it was Jehovah, his God (Satan’s God too), he was to worship and it is to him (Jehovah) alone he must render sacred service. Satan never challenged Jehovah’s power; he challenged Jehovah’s right to rule.
Consider: 1. Even Satan knew who God almighty was and it was not Jesus. If it was Jesus, Satan would have never requested his creator to worship him. That would not make sense. 2. Satan was successful in killing Jesus not Jehovah. 3. It was Jehovah whom Jesus prayed. Jesus did not pray to himself. That would not make sense. 4. Jehovah resurrected Jesus (Jesus was dead for three days). Jesus did not resurrect himself (how could he if he was dead). 5. Jesus came to do Jehovah’s will, not his own will. 6. Jesus name means “Jehovah Is Salvation”. 7. Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God (Philippians 2:5-6). Jesus never wanted to be equal to his creator, Jehovah. Therefore, Jesus and Jehovah are not the same people.
The point: Jesus corrected Satan who is referred to as a god (in the Bible) when he wanted to take what belonged exclusively to Jehovah, which was exclusive worship. Satan wanted Jesus to worship him rather than Jehovah. He wants all of mankind to worship him instead of Jehovah.
As the Bible states, there are many gods. But there is only one true God, Jehovah. Anyone that worships any other God other than Jehovah violates Jehovah’s command “You must not have no other Gods before me”.
“Before me”= Beside Me, Other than Me, Rather the Me, First (in front of Me)
Every time the Israelites worshiped Baal or Molech or some other god, Jehovah’s anger blazed against the Israelites. The book of Judges illustrates this point over and over again.
Anonynomous, The command to Israel to have no other Gods, wasn't limited to Molech or Baal, the command was no other gods period. The way JWs view christ is a violation of that command.
The scripture you quote in Philipians answers many of the common objections about this issue. One thing it answers is why Christ said his Father was greater than he. This is because he "humbeled himself and took the form of a servant" this voluntary submission while on earth caused him to declare that the Father was greater. In fact he was so humble that he also washed the feet of his diciples. When all the evidence is examined, there is scriptual evidence to support the diety of Christ. As Phillipins 2 goes on to say, every "knee will bow". The question is when will some people get started doing that.
“Religion is a Racket”, There is no inconsistency.
You are in agreement with the Bible. Jesus is a god. This we are in agreement with the Bible. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus.
Many people today worship Jesus as God Almighty. Many people today do not know Gods name, Jehovah. They think, as a result of false teaching that Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As a result, many thrust Jesus before Jehovah, giving Jesus the honor and glory belonging to his Jehovah, the one that created all things.
Again, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus in place of, instead of, or before Jehovah.
As for “every need will bow”, this is referring to Jesus as King of the Messianic Kingdom (Government). It is this Government or Kingdom that is ruling right now in the mist of Jesus’ enemies. As the King of this government, he deserves the respect and honor that would be given any ruler of a government. This, however, in no way supports any idea that Jesus is being worshiped.
This Kingdom that the Christ is King is the only hope for mankind. This is the Kingdom that Jesus instructed his followers to pray for in Matthew the 6th Chapter.
It is also unfortunatley the kingdom that JWs will not see, because Jesus said in John chapter 3 that we must be born again to see it. The Society says it won't be on Earth but only in Heaven. But Jesus said to pray "let your Kingdom come". Come where? On Earth.
I think I've said enough here. I hope you change your mind someday and give up following and organization and start following Christ and him alone. Best wishes, DB
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Hi Brian, Good job on this video. The witnesses translation of John 1:1 is really unable to be defended even though some try. Because even if Christ were "a god" they still are left to answer the question. Why did Jehovah say "you must not not have any other gods before me"? Wouldn't it just be easier to admidt the Christ is God and be done with it? Rather than inventing gramar rules that they don't even adhere too?
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what the point is with this video. Spending time defending the trinity is pointless with those that insist there is one.
ReplyDeleteThe bible explains (among other things) Jehovah and his purposes. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus. They worship Jehovah. They recognize Jesus as Jehovah’s Chief Agent for working out his purpose for mankind and the earth and exemplar of their faith.
He is not equal to Jehovah not does he know as much as Jehovah. He is not as powerful as Jehovah. In short, Jesus can not be greater than the one (God) that created him.
Jesus the Christ (Jehovah’s Anointed One), a god, was sent as a act of loving kindness and expression of his love for the benefit of mankind to redirect mankind back to Jehovah, to teach Jehovah’s way, to provide hope for mankind’ future, to counter act the works of Satan (who is also a god, who is referred to as the “god of this system of things, who is worshipped by many as the God).
Jesus himself said he came to make God’s name known, not his name known.
“You must not have no other Gods before me” means not worshiping any other god such as Baal, Molech, Marduk, Labartu, Labasu, and Akhkhazu etc.
Jehovah requires and expects exclusive devotion. He does not share his glory with anyone else.
Hey Anonymous, I just read your post and ,Im not speaking for CC21, but I wanted to point out something in you said that seems in-consistent. You said that Jesus is a god, but then mention correctly that we are to have no other Gods. This of course wouldn't be a problem if Jehovah and Jesus were the same God. So please explain how their can be 2 Gods, Jesus and Jehovah as you point out. But how this belief can be held without violating the comand Given in Exodus that you quote. It seems in-consistent.
ReplyDelete“Religion is a Racket”,
ReplyDeleteThere is no inconsistency.
The divine counsel in Hebrews is helpful to because false or distorted views of Christ still abound. Many people today, rather than downgrading Jesus as did Jewish opposers, exaggerate his role. Many churches assert that Jesus is part of a triune deity and that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are equal. Yet, who gets most of their attention? Jesus. He is pushed into the foreground, and the Father is squeezed into the shadows. This poses a challenge for true Christians. At John 14:28 Jesus said that his Father was greater, and Psalm 83:18 states that “you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”
The Bible refers to Jesus is a god, a mighty god. But he is never referred to as God almighty that is to be worshiped. That title and honor belongs exclusively to Jehovah. When Satan wanted Jesus to do an act of worship to him (Satan), Jesus reminded Satan that it was Jehovah, his God (Satan’s God too), he was to worship and it is to him (Jehovah) alone he must render sacred service. Satan never challenged Jehovah’s power; he challenged Jehovah’s right to rule.
Consider:
1. Even Satan knew who God almighty was and it was not Jesus. If it was Jesus, Satan would have never requested his creator to worship him. That would not make sense.
2. Satan was successful in killing Jesus not Jehovah.
3. It was Jehovah whom Jesus prayed. Jesus did not pray to himself. That would not make sense.
4. Jehovah resurrected Jesus (Jesus was dead for three days). Jesus did not resurrect himself (how could he if he was dead).
5. Jesus came to do Jehovah’s will, not his own will.
6. Jesus name means “Jehovah Is Salvation”.
7. Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God (Philippians 2:5-6). Jesus never wanted to be equal to his creator, Jehovah. Therefore, Jesus and Jehovah are not the same people.
The point: Jesus corrected Satan who is referred to as a god (in the Bible) when he wanted to take what belonged exclusively to Jehovah, which was exclusive worship. Satan wanted Jesus to worship him rather than Jehovah. He wants all of mankind to worship him instead of Jehovah.
As the Bible states, there are many gods. But there is only one true God, Jehovah. Anyone that worships any other God other than Jehovah violates Jehovah’s command “You must not have no other Gods before me”.
“Before me”= Beside Me, Other than Me, Rather the Me, First (in front of Me)
Every time the Israelites worshiped Baal or Molech or some other god, Jehovah’s anger blazed against the Israelites. The book of Judges illustrates this point over and over again.
Anonynomous, The command to Israel to have no other Gods, wasn't limited to Molech or Baal, the command was no other gods period. The way JWs view christ is a violation of that command.
ReplyDeleteThe scripture you quote in Philipians answers many of the common objections about this issue. One thing it answers is why Christ said his Father was greater than he. This is because he "humbeled himself and took the form of a servant" this voluntary submission while on earth caused him to declare that the Father was greater. In fact he was so humble that he also washed the feet of his diciples.
When all the evidence is examined, there is scriptual evidence to support the diety of Christ. As Phillipins 2 goes on to say, every "knee will bow". The question is when will some people get started doing that.
“Religion is a Racket”,
ReplyDeleteThere is no inconsistency.
You are in agreement with the Bible. Jesus is a god. This we are in agreement with the Bible. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus.
Many people today worship Jesus as God Almighty. Many people today do not know Gods name, Jehovah. They think, as a result of false teaching that Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As a result, many thrust Jesus before Jehovah, giving Jesus the honor and glory belonging to his Jehovah, the one that created all things.
Again, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus in place of, instead of, or before Jehovah.
As for “every need will bow”, this is referring to Jesus as King of the Messianic Kingdom (Government). It is this Government or Kingdom that is ruling right now in the mist of Jesus’ enemies. As the King of this government, he deserves the respect and honor that would be given any ruler of a government. This, however, in no way supports any idea that Jesus is being worshiped.
This Kingdom that the Christ is King is the only hope for mankind. This is the Kingdom that Jesus instructed his followers to pray for in Matthew the 6th Chapter.
It is also unfortunatley the kingdom that JWs will not see, because Jesus said in John chapter 3 that we must be born again to see it. The Society says it won't be on Earth but only in Heaven. But Jesus said to pray "let your Kingdom come". Come where? On Earth.
ReplyDeleteI think I've said enough here. I hope you change your mind someday and give up following and organization and start following Christ and him alone. Best wishes, DB